lejonklou wrote: ↑2020-12-20 17:16
lindsayt wrote: ↑2020-12-20 16:44
lejonklou wrote: ↑2020-12-20 12:26
Apparently you have no clue what we mean by 'tunefulness' on this forum.
Why not attempt to learn what this forum is about?
Oh come off it!
£3450 for a brand new Majik LP12! It's a joke.
Quite easily demonstrably so. Using tunedem.
All you need is a cherry picked used turntable arm and cartridge combination to realise how terrible a brand new Majik LP12 is when it comes to the tunefulness for the money.
This is nothing to do with my understanding of what the forum is about. It's everything to do with how tuneful a brand new Majik LP12 is compared to what else you can buy for far less money.
I'm not asking anyone to take my word for it.
I'm suggesting that anyone reading this does their own listening tests. Which may involve getting together with owners of certain cherry picked non Linn turntables. Or taking a punt on something on ebay that's selling at the right price. At a price that you could sell on for a small profit if it doesn't work out for you.
It not enough to write "using tunedem". You also have to do it.
Your claims are silly and therefore intentionally vague. We have a massive collective experience of turntables in here, so if you mention any particular "cherry picked" model, you're likely to get some informed views of it. Probably from someone that actually know how to use the Tune Method.
Frankly, I've had enough of this. The LP12 is perhaps the most cherished piece of HiFi equipment on this forum. It's one thing if a member says "I think turntable X is really good and better value than a Majik LP12" - that's something to debate. But to write "A brand new Majik LP12 offers terrible tunefulness for the money" just shows that don't know what you're talking about.
Pioneer PL71 with an Ortofon SPU
Sony 6750 with a decent MC cartridge
Lenco's that have been fettled and fitted with decent arms and cartridges
Garrard 401's and 301's with decent plinths arms and cartridges
Technics 1210 with an OL modded Rega arm and Ortofon Rondo cartridge
Thorens TD124 with decent arm and MC cartridge.
Technics SP10 with decent plinth arm and MC cartridge.
I'm not including EMT 950, 930, 948 with TSD15 cartridges because whilst they used to be cheaper than brand new Linn Majik LP12's they generally aren't any more.
It's when replaying bass drums, kettle drums, bass's (the stringed instruments used in orchestras and some jazz), bass guitars that the lack of tunefulnes in the Majik LP12 is most apparent. It's a lack that's still there (to a lesser extent) with the Klimax level LP12's that I've auditioned. This lack is most apparent through speakers that can play these instruments relatively tunefully. Which tends to be speakers that are rather different to Linn M140's.
Woolly bass is not tuneful bass. It's not as easy to follow the tune if it sounds like the signal has been passed through a huge wodge of cotton wool, compared with it sounding like the signal has passed through nothing.
I know what tunedem is and I use it.
The LP12 is more tuneful than soulless crap like the Clearaudios that I've heard and the SME 20/12a.
It is also more tuneful than the Regas I've heard. And plasticky, lightweight type Japanese turntables.
The Majik LP12 is not more tuneful than a fairly wide range of good condition, properly set up heavier weight, non plasticky idler and direct drive turntables with decent arms and cartridges.
Not in my experience. With the lack of tunefulness being most apparent in the bass. Especially when played through bass tuneful speakers.